Sharkith wrote:good points Cryn - however if your right - why didn't the GM just say anything but halted? He didn't said 'all but halted' - lets not put words into their mouths. All but halted means slowed to a trickle for reasons they have explained - and they have told us that a) they lost someone and b) they did the cluster and so that made things very busy. They had told us this what they had not said was that the whole thing had 'all but halted'. It is one of the admissions he got out of them and it makes the status of the restoration very clear. That we did not know.
This I do understand why the GM used the phrase 'all but halted' because to me and probably to alot of other non-UK people it actually seems to mean that one is still working on something.
actually I agree perhaps something is being lost in translation ?
To me it means yes they are working on it but they are doing very little because of other issues. What do other non-English people think and are the linguistic reasons why this would be the case?
naic wrote:This I do understand why the GM used the phrase 'all but halted' because to me and probably to alot of other non-UK people it actually seems to mean that one is still working on something.
That may be true in literal translations, but in idiomatic English, the phrase "all but halted" means "almost stopped." To mean the opposite, we use the phrase "anything but halted."
Given that GOA is a French company, I think it is understandable that the GMs are not native English speakers and these little things are inevitable. It just goes to show that web forums often make far too much mileage from analysing the exact phrasing of what people say, ignoring the fairly obvious intended meaning.
Cryn wrote:
It just goes to show that web forums often make far too much mileage from analysing the exact phrasing of what people say, ignoring the fairly obvious intended meaning.
It isn't obvious otherwise people would have understood - comprende?
Kallima wrote:If someone posts on a forum an instruction to call them a random rude word then someone will do it. Of course they shouldn't take the instruction literally, but they will say it when they probably wouldn't have done if it hadn't been suggested to them
Yes they are to blame for doing it, but someone telling them to do it isn't a bright move either.
Well that's exactly the point, they know it's wrong, hence they should know that they could potentially get warned for it, hence it's upto them whether to risk that warning or not, therefore there's nothing wrong with posting it originally because people are pretty aware of the consequences of taking up on the offer and proceding with a flame. It's really not a terribly difficult concept.
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Yes, I suppose I do understand that. I just think that Xalin was clearly at pains to convince that they are doing their best to resolve issues. In that context, doesn't it seem more than a little odd that he'd throw in some kind of admission that they are doing almost nothing on the item restoration?
When you first read it, didn't you get a little jolt of surprise that Xalin would make such a comment? I did, and it caused me to think he might mean something different. Something less at odds with the rest of what he was saying.
Kallima wrote:Personally my point was not that the word was offensive. It just seemed a bit strange to let someone post suggesting people call him something if they wanted to, and then have discussions about warning people who actually followed the suggestion.
I was aware of that, i just like to push things a little, which is was why i posted. My methods are lost on most people but i say things i say for my own humour and not for the benefit of others, me no cares rly
Cryn wrote:Yes, I suppose I do understand that. I just think that Xalin was clearly at pains to convince that they are doing their best to resolve issues. In that context, doesn't it seem more than a little odd that he'd throw in some kind of admission that they are doing almost nothing on the item restoration?
When you first read it, didn't you get a little jolt of surprise that Xalin would make such a comment? I did, and it caused me to think he might mean something different. Something less at odds with the rest of what he was saying.
Well (good to have a clear discussion about it )and this is the crunch issue. The restoration can all but stop and they could still be doing their best! They lost a member of staff a very dedicated member of staff we all knew that. In that news release they also indicated that this would affect the restoration. So the evidence is actually that all but stopped means - all but stopped (and we are trying to do our best ffs).
The thread actually establishs this and we did not know it before. Can you see the weight of evidence is that this is the right interpretation and Xalins English is in fact excellent?
